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Tuesday, January 5, 2010 at 11:44:00 PM EST

A lot of people base their opposition to homosexuality on the idea that it is immoral. They feel that people of the same sex should not be allowed to marry because the act of them marrying would be immoral and would promote other activities they deem immoral, such as homosexual sex. They are adamant on upholding those points for gays and lesbians, yet seem more than willing to let themselves off the hook when they themselves act immorally.

Think about this: Most heterosexual people believe that cheating on your spouse is an immoral act. Yet, they do not believe that this sexual act of immorality should ban them from marrying (or remarrying). So why does “immoral” sex between gay or lesbian couples mean that they can’t get married, but “immoral” sex between two heterosexual people has no impact over their own legal ability to marry? If one “immoral” sexuality bans you from marriage, why doesn’t another? Isn’t their whole point that people who are sexually immoral should be kept from marrying? Further, if they can move on from what they perceive as their own immorality, why can’t they afford the same forgiveness toward the perceived immorality of gay and lesbian couples?

In reality, gay and lesbian sex is not immoral. But my point is that if your opposition to marriage for same-sex couples is based on the fact that you think that their sexuality is immoral, then you can’t restrict this moral distinction exclusively to gay and lesbian couples without admitting your own hypocritical immorality. If you are setting a moral standard, it must apply to everyone. Tell me if I missed it, but I don’t recall hearing about a ballot initiative to ban Tiger Woods from every remarrying because he was “sexually immoral” and cheated on his wife a lot.

Is it a matter of levels of immorality? Is having gay or lesbian sex, even with one partner, immoral enough to keep you from marrying, while having heterosexual sex with several to many partners (while married or not) isn’t enough to restrict your rights? To be clear, I don’t think that either scenario just stated should be enough to legally restrict someone from marrying. Who you have consensual sex with is your business- not the government’s. And, not your neighbors’ on election day- or any other day.

If you feel that homosexual sex is in and of itself immoral, then 1) I feel sorry for you for your poor education, and 2) please realize that what other people do in bed is none of your business. They’re not hurting anyone. They’re not causing any harm. They aren’t doing anything illegal. They’re not involving you in any way. Same-sex couples have been having sex forever and they will continue to have sex forever and there’s nothing you can do about it. So get off your hypocritical high horse and pay some attention to your own marriage.

~ Samantha
 

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Good post Samantha... good points. It does seem like for some people, basic logic is not a central part of their thought process when it comes to their position on gay marriage -- though this is definitely not true for everyone who opposes gay marriage.
# Posted By  kathleenmysistahs | 1/6/10 08:51 AM | Report | Reply
Great points.  I have really found that the only reason anyone would consider homosexuality "immoral" is that a religious text tells them that it is.  Homosexuality occurs in nature, yet people seem to think that it is some unnatural abomonation.  I really like that quote that's like "Opposed to gay marriage? Then don't have one," or something along those lines.  If people are really that disturbed they shouldn't even concern themselves with the issue.  As you said, it's "none of their business!"
# Posted By cmartin626 | 1/6/10 01:42 PM | Report | Reply
If only everyone used this logic...the world would be a better place for many people.  Unfortunately, people opposed to gay marriage often have arguments that are completely emotional (and bigoted, ignorant, etc), and not logical.  As you point out in this post with a very intelligent argument, there is no logical reason for banning gay marriage, no matter how you look at it. Great post!  I really enjoyed reading this :)
# Posted By  dandaman6007 | 1/6/10 03:39 PM | Report | Reply
But my point is that if your opposition to marriage for same-sex couples is based on the fact that you think that their sexuality is immoral, then you can’t restrict this moral distinction exclusively to gay and lesbian couples without admitting your own hypocritical immorality.

Oh but they do admit their hypocritical immorality.  It's the very basis of their beliefs.  Humankind is fallen and is immoral by default.  No one lives up to the ideal life lived by Christ - people do evil and immoral things all the time and are saved by God's grace alone.  Even though they are inherently flawed, they are encouraged by God to live in the correct manner (i.e. monogamous heterosexual marriage).  Homosexuality is simply and abomination and a sin, spelled out by God.  You say it's a natural phenomenon, also found in other species of animals, which is true, but they would reply that murder, theft, and so on are also natural human behaviors.  "Natural" human behavior is not necessarily moral.

That said, I totally disagree with their viewpoint.  It's just that your point is not a very good counter to it.
# Posted By Brak | 1/7/10 03:40 PM | Report | Reply
But sex between two consenting adults of the same sex is natural and moral. There's nothing wrong with it. Should interracial couples not be allowed to have sex or marry each other, just because people found reason in the Bible against it? Just because some people are prejudice doesn't mean that interracial relationships are bad, and just because some people are homophobic, doens't mean same-sex couples are bad.
# Posted By Mahayana | 1/7/10 04:23 PM | Report | Reply
Oh I agree wholeheartedly.  I was only commenting that your assertion that they do not acknowledge their own "hypocritical immoriality" is incorrect, in my opinion.
# Posted By Brak | 1/7/10 04:34 PM | Report | Reply
I don't think a Christian would say that murder, theft, etc. are natural human behaviors.  They would argue that we are born with original sin, yes.  But that's not to say that all humans are naturally inclined to kill, steal, etc.  All humans are created in God's image, with the one exception.  On a somewhat related note, it seems as though, in some places in the bible, killing is being encouraged while, in other places, it is adamantly condemned.  The bible doesn't even have a concrete stance on this, yet people are totally okay with basing their morals primarily on it.  If people have a logical reason aside from their religion as to why homosexuality is wrong, I'd be more than happy to hear it and to entertain their questions. 
# Posted By cmartin626 | 1/7/10 04:24 PM | Report | Reply
I don't think a Christian would say that murder, theft, etc. are natural human behaviors.  They would argue that we are born with original sin, yes.  But that's not to say that all humans are naturally inclined to kill, steal, etc.

I've heard many Christians argue just that.  And they have a point.  Human history is a tale of man's cruelty to his fellow man (please forgive the possibly sexist synecdoche :) ).  I believe it was Hobbes who said life was "nasty, brutish, and short".  Civilized behavior is NOT normal and is only achieved by it being forced onto humanity.

Eh, this is probably getting off topic...
# Posted By Brak | 1/7/10 04:41 PM | Report | Reply
This is probably getting off topic, haha.  Perhaps Christians would argue that.  I would argue in response to that, however, that killing and stealing are both choices that you make.  One can choose whether they steal or kill.  One cannot, however, choose whether they are homosexual or not.
# Posted By cmartin626 | 1/8/10 09:01 AM | Report | Reply